[Metisse] Interrogation regarding facade and keybinding

[Frederic Crozat]

Le lundi 04 décembre 2006 à 23:22 +0100, Olivier Chapuis a écrit :
> Frederic Crozat a écrit :
> > Le samedi 02 décembre 2006 à 16:03 +0100, Olivier Chapuis a écrit :

> > I've just tried on a scroll bar in gimp and metisse froze the entire X
> > session. After restarting it, I found a crash in gimp (so it is not
> > metisse fault) when trying to query the various accessibility properties
> > (I get the same crash with at-poke and with latest version of gtk and
> > gimp, see bug #328255).
> > 
> > 
> 
> Humm ... this is a problem. A pb is that at-spi et al. are not rock solid ...

Bug is now fixed in gail CVS and cooker package. I'll issue a bugfix
update for it if we uses 2007.0 as basis (see below)

I'm not sure I understand what the scroll option on a scrollbar is
supposed to do.

> and I should double check that we use it correctly.
> Note that a lot of the facades stuff do not need accessibility.

Indeed, but widget edge stickiness when creating facades is really
great. And since many things here are still at the demo level, it is
best to have better 


> >>>>>We are currently working on using fvwm-insitu as a window manager
> >>>>>replacement for GNOME (or KDE) for our LiveCD, so users won't be too
> >>>>>much disturbed by the entire UI. This will probably require some changes
> >>>>>in fvwm config, so I might ask for some help if we are stalled
> >>>>>somewhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes, no problem. Maybe a good idea is to use nautilus + gnome-panels
> >>>>or kdesktop + kicker in the place of the FvwmButton panel. If you
> >>>>have a good set of window buttons and a screenshot I can create
> >>>>new Mandriva window/colours themes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yes, that is exactly what we are planning.
> >>>
> >>>I've put the buttons we use for one of our "Ia Ora theme" on
> >>>http://people.mandriva.com/~fcrozat/metisse/
> >>>
> >>>Color used is #21449c (Mandriva Blue)
> >>>
> >>>Screenshot of Ia Ora is visible on
> >>>http://people.mandriva.com/~fcrozat/ia_ora/new/blue1.png
> >>>
> >>>I'll ask our graphic for PNG slices for the bars used for the various
> >>>sides of the window border.
> >>>
> >>
> >>fvwm has the ability to create almost all kind of gradient (via the
> >>config file) maybe kwin does not use png image but gradient definition
> >>as fvwm. The gradient def is welcome or maybe a tarball which contains
> >>the "definition" of the theme?
> > 
> > 
> > I wasn't sure of fvwm features so I proposed to use images instead of
> > gradients : we are using gradients for both metacity and kwin.
> > 
> > I've read fvwm documentation and started to create an fvwm for Ia Ora.
> > If I have some problems, I'll scream for help ;)
> > 
> >
> 
> Ok, no problem ... I started too after founding the source tarball/rpm
> of these themes I think I will be able to do it in few minute (as a first
> approximation). But if you want to do it go head. Playing with fvwm config
> may be funny.

metacity .xml file is probably the best way to get a nice description of
the WM theme (I have specs but they are a little difficult to understand
without the various elements we did internally and I'm not sure they are
up to date with the last version of Ia Ora, available in 2007.0).

I've started on a theme and a color file but I must confess digging in
fvwm verbose documentation isn't my cup of tea :)

I'll write a separate mail with my work in progress so you can use it
(but I guess you can start from scratch much faster without my WIP :)

> In which package lndir is? In 2006 it was in xorg-x11 but not with
> 2007 (for me lndir is very important :o).

Well, it seems it has been forgotten when we switched to modular xorg.
But I know who to blame :) Gustavo, I know you are subscribed to this
list..

> I do some testing today and I was not able to reproduce the cursor
> problem.

On a i945, I'm not seeing the problem either, so I guess it is specific
to i810. Probably not worth enabling this workaround everytime. But it
would be great to add this problem and its workaround in documentation.

> On which Mandriva do you plan to release Metisse? Should we go with
> cooker? Not a problem for me I've a machine for that.

It is still under discussion here with marketing. I'll be able to give
you an answer end of this week or next week. For now, it is better to
stick with 2007.0 which is stable. Moreover, cooker will soon see X.org
7.2 + mesa 6.5.2 ..

> I think we should split this thread or restart others ... but I was
> lazy.

Good idea, I'll try to post my next remarks / questions in separate
threads.

-- 
Frederic Crozat <fcrozat at mandriva.com>
Mandriva